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Bushwalker
FemaleFirst Grand Master (1000+ Posts)
Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Posts: 2625
Location: Kleptabalonian Consulate, Lake Macquarie, NSW Australia
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| ZiaAries wrote: |
| Cambridge wrote: |
| Bushwalker wrote: |
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| Also wants to end Social security which gives a safe retirement to seniors . |
Safe!!!!!
Where is ALL the money they put away for retirement???? |
As I've said several times before, I have never assumed that SS will provide for my retirement years. I don't consider that "retirement funds" by any stretch of the imagination. |
I don't plan on retiring - it has become an alien and unreachable concept to me.
I will just keep on going..
Come what may...
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Congrats, Bush. But what will you do when the bigots like zia try to stop you from ccontinuing on? Life is an evolution, and people like her are the enemy. |
Bushwalker, Is this one of your friends? Well, is it?
Don't try and involve me here, my dear girl - I DON'T support what Cambridge is saying here - he doesn't have my support on this attack - it is totally uncalled for, in here. You're my friend, Zia.. 
Cambridge , Glad to see that you enjoy the use of bigot yet again and again. Let me check any other disgusting words that you fall prey to.
Cambridge, Explain to me and anyone else on FF, what makes me a bigot?
Bushwalker, You are allowed to help him or her? or Shim-Sher
 WHAT !! DO you think I'm suicidal ??? I'm not going to help anyone on here against you, my dear Zia..
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And for everyone's enlightenment - Zia is certainly NOT my enemy - in any way or form...
Cambridge seems to be the only one here who considers Zia an "enemy".
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ZiaAries
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Location: United States of America
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Bushman. 
That's nice.
Thanks.  |
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The Chairman
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Location: Middle Earth
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Cambridge
FemaleFirst Grand Master (1000+ Posts)
Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I don't "love" McCain. I don't even particularly like McCain. He is not sufficiently conservative for my tastes.
But McCain is a genuine war hero. And McCain has served as a U.S. Senator for more than 20 years and as a U.S. Congressman for four years before becoming a Senator. McCain has distinguished himself in the U.S. Senate. I believe McCain will try to do as President what he has said he will do during the campaign. I believe McCain is qualified to be President.
McCain's opponent, Barack Obama, has served half a term in the U.S. Senate, most of which has been spent campaigning for President. During his brief tenure in the U.S. Senate, Obama has not distinguished himself. I do not believe Obama will try to do as President what he has said he will do during the campaign. I believe Obama is a demagogue. I believe Obama is unqualified to be President in 2009, though he may become qualified in the future.
For these general reasons, I will hold my nose in November and vote for McCain. |
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| I don't "love" McCain. I don't even particularly like McCain. He is not sufficiently conservative for my tastes. |
I agree, although for different reason. McCain has no directions…he is trying to court the myrons while being his trademark rebel. Not!
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| But McCain is a genuine war hero. And McCain has served as a U.S. Senator for more than 20 years and as a U.S. Congressman for four years before becoming a Senator. McCain has distinguished himself in the U.S. Senate. I believe McCain will try to do as President what he has said he will do during the campaign. I believe McCain is qualified to be President. |
But, qualified in what respect. He has never had any executive experience. Being in Congress is kinda like being in a negotiation position. You never where you are going to end up. Being a President requires a sense of decision-making. You have to be authoritative…and not compromising. McCain has no experience in this kind of politics. How do we have any confidence that he will perform in this capacity? |
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azraelle
FemaleFirst Grand Master (1000+ Posts)
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
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Location: southern utah, usa
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Executive experience does not a qualified president make.
Lincoln, for example. Nixon for another (yes I know he was a VP, but he really had very little to do, even under Ike). Then there was LBJ, JFK, Gerald Ford...
That said, I can't stand the man. His stances on immigration, 2nd Amendment--he's a political turncoat--no different in the essentials that William Jefferson Clinton.
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Topic Of Gossip
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Joined: 03 Mar 2005
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Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Looking in from the outside, I would say that they are both excellent candidates but for different reasons.
McCain - as a War Hero (Though I don't know what he did?) would be good in that respect. However from the little I have seen of him, he actually comes across as a gentle and humble character. I cannot see him as a man who would rattle the sabre for the sake of doing so. This in itself would be quite an asset if there is an interest in building bridges.
Barack - Is certainly charismatic and will carry a lot of good will on the global stage - at least in the early stages. May mark an opportunity for the US to go on charm offensive.
I would expect that the Democrat is probably the best choice for the US Domestic scene - however on an international stage I actually feel that McCain would be the better of the two. Assuming McCain has the health to see out the term - I think whereas Barack will miss the boat, McCain will actually be an asset with greater room for political manoeuvre and may present an honest broker to the outside world.
Personally I think that Barack will have a lot to prove and may be effected by the historical precedent - This being both in terms of his colour and also with regards to the 'War on Terror'.
Whilst McCain may represent a cooling, I think that the above will eventually lead to a feeling of business as usual - unless Barack stamps his personality on things early on. Personally I think he will end up being dictated to by the right.
I am thinking in terms of the trends set during the 50 years of cold war - to borrow a mantra from Star Trek - only Nixon could go to China!
Of course it is up to the US people and I am an outsider to a large amount of the process. |
What a beautifully, well balanced post, ILWL.
Extolling the virtues - and shortcomings - of the two candidates from your point of view, without having to degenerate into biased, puerile, mudslinging nastiness.
I applaud you.  |
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Lena
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Location: Kentucky , USA
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That said, I can't stand the man. His stances on immigration, 2nd Amendment--he's a political turncoat--no different in the essentials that William Jefferson Clinton.
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Don't forget like Clinton McCain has a history as a philandering husband too................... |
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ZiaAries
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Location: United States of America
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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That said, I can't stand the man. His stances on immigration, 2nd Amendment--he's a political turncoat--no different in the essentials that William Jefferson Clinton.
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Don't forget like Clinton McCain has a history as a philandering husband too................... |
May he have the good sense to keep his pants zipped in the Oval office and know the proper use for a cigar. |
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Cambridge
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Cambridge seems to be the only one here who considers Zia an "enemy". |
Everyone’s entitled to have good taste. 
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| Cambridge, Explain to me and anyone else on FF, what makes me a bigot? |
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Bigotry [F bigoterie. Fr. MF, fr. Bigot obstinately and blindly attached to some creed, opinion or practice: unreasonably devoted to a system or party and illiberal, often intolerant toward others’ opinions. The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman.
Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable. |
Prejudices! And how do we feel about our elders, zia?  |
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ZiaAries
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Location: United States of America
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What elders Cambridge? Are you referring to yourself now? Aren't you like... O L D as dirt?
Everyone has good taste on the forum, and then there is you. You have NO taste. 
Bye Cam  Hope you don't pass away from old-age tonight in your sleep.  |
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myron myron
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What elders Cambridge? Are you referring to yourself now? Aren't you like... O L D as dirt?
Everyone has good taste on the forum, and then there is you. You have NO taste.
Bye Cam Hope you don't pass away from old-age tonight in your sleep.
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Hope he doesn't have another "stress collapse" and get sectioned in the looney bin for a couple more weeks.
Ask him to tell about you the last time it happened -- he has posted about it before. |
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ZiaAries
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: |
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What elders Cambridge? Are you referring to yourself now? Aren't you like... O L D as dirt?
Everyone has good taste on the forum, and then there is you. You have NO taste.
Bye Cam Hope you don't pass away from old-age tonight in your sleep.
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Hope he doesn't have another "stress collapse" and get sectioned in the looney bin for a couple more weeks.
Ask him to tell about you the last time it happened -- he has posted about it before. |
The "looney bin"?
Why does that not surprise me? |
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Cambridge
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I don't "love" McCain. I don't even particularly like McCain. He is not sufficiently conservative for my tastes.
But McCain is a genuine war hero. And McCain has served as a U.S. Senator for more than 20 years and as a U.S. Congressman for four years before becoming a Senator. McCain has distinguished himself in the U.S. Senate. I believe McCain will try to do as President what he has said he will do during the campaign. I believe McCain is qualified to be President.
McCain's opponent, Barack Obama, has served half a term in the U.S. Senate, most of which has been spent campaigning for President. During his brief tenure in the U.S. Senate, Obama has not distinguished himself. I do not believe Obama will try to do as President what he has said he will do during the campaign. I believe Obama is a demagogue. I believe Obama is unqualified to be President in 2009, though he may become qualified in the future.
For these general reasons, I will hold my nose in November and vote for McCain. |
Good point, myron. But the real point you make is that neither of them is qualified for the office of the President. McCain is letting so much slip out of his control--Graham is just the latest example--and his look of the "deer-in-the-headlights" is vindicated. He's just not qualified. Neither is Obama...his vote in favor of FISA shows he is anti-constitutional and I don't trust him. |
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Big Ben
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Well, Bill Clinton has the experience and would be qualified to be president, but the super delegates didn't have the gumption to do their job and nominate Hillary.
George H. W. Bush has the experience, would be qualified to be president and has a term left of eligbility, but he didn't run.
McCain has a wealth of high-quality government and military experience that would be very helpful to him if he were to serve as president. Barry O'Bumma has a couple of years as an undistinguished rookie senator and a bunch of catchy campaign slogans and reverend-quality inspirational speeches. You make the call. |
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ZiaAries
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McCain has a wealth of high-quality government and military experience that would be very helpful to him if he were to serve as president. Barry O'Bumma has a couple of years as an undistinguished rookie senator and a bunch of catchy campaign slogans and reverend-quality inspirational speeches. You make the call. |
You mean like this one:
Obama 2008
Osama 2009
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